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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.06 12:58:00 -
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MUST BEAT DEAD HORSE
T2 BPOs are irrelevant. They produce a mere fraction of the supply of anything used widely. And items not used widely are irrelevant as their demand is miniscule.
One T2 BPO can only produce on one production line. Yearly profits out of a T2 BPO are comparable to what you can milk out in a month from a much less capital-intensive manufacturing operations using invention. They just don't have the throughput.
If you are getting pushed out of a specific T2 product market due to BPO-using manufacturer, you are in a wrong market building a product that nobody wants to buy in any real quantity.
If you are one of those "I must build everything myself because that way it is free"-crowders, I suggest growing a brain. Your current one seems defective. ISK = stuff. Anything can be bought with ISK. Inability to build something isn't a problem - build something else and trade it for the stuff you can't build (using ISK as means of exchange).
...and if you are one of those who thinks it is unfair that someone can make ISK in the game, let me clue you in: The ISK made with T2 BPOs is peanuts. The real ISK comes from moon goo mining, specifically Technetium and Neodymium. Every T2 manufacturer needs complex reaction products that use these materials. A massive chunk of every T2 item price (BPO or Invented) flows to the owners of these moons.
And you can get these moons. Go attack them and put up your own tower. Just watch out for the pile of Titans and Motherships the current owner might drop on your head if you do so. Wear a hard hat and bring ships. Lots of ships.  |

Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:03:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Look everyone a bitter vets rallying to the defence of broken mechanic that favours them. CCP fix eve or let it plunge more. I wonder if the peeps at CCP are willing to give up their jobs over these over powered TECH II BPO's? Just think CCP Devs you might be the next worker to get the boot as player numbers plunge below the 20 K mark. Stem the blood loss now ffs before it's too late and eve fails even more.
T2 BPOs are not overpowered. You are bad at math and incapable of understanding how people actually make (large amounts) of ISK in this game. |

Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:16:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:It is quite strange that CCP allows tech II BPO to continue to exist after gifting them free to a select few players. This has alienated the majority of players who were not gifted items for free in a corrupt lottery. CCP is litteraly pumping ISK into the hands of select players while losing out on RL $ as new players refuse to subscribe to a game that gives massive unfair advantages to an older player.
I don't know why CCP commits to this Bizzaro RMT to support players that do not financially contribute to the game and to a system that deters new players from further subscription. Well hopefully CCP will finally do something as the player base online slips below the 20K mark.
I give up. You are delusional.
(Besides, manufacturing does not generate ISK. It just moves it around - T2 BPOs do not "pump" ISK)
I wouldn't mind if they removed T2 BPOs but I also don't think they matter in the slightest. You underestimate the size of EVE market and overestimate the number of BPOs in active use (and the profit they produce)
Heck, I would love to see some stats from CCP that would actually prove what is commonly known; large number of T2 BPOs out there are gathering dust in some hangar, not being produced with. |

Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:10:00 -
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Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:I... what are you on?
The T2 BPOs that are actually used are used by people who can actually use them. Large Alliances. They also just max researched them and now copy them. Copying jobs are much less time intensive then actually using them to make stuff.
If you wanna complain, complain about Invention in general.
You are aware of course that copying T2 BPOs (per license run) takes longer than manufacturing with a T2 BPO (per unit), right?
Additionally, T2 BPO copying takes additional materials. It isn't free like T1 BPO copying.
So anyone who cares about profit isn't going to use them for copying.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.06 19:54:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Velicitia wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:If the op says t2 armor plates, I will not stop laughing for days.  there are T2 armour plates? [/fake shock] Who ever got the T2 plate BPO did get the worst trolling that CCP has dished out, that much is true.
Until... one day... CCP suddenly reworks them and they become the hottest item on Jita for the first few weeks (until invention guys catch up with the demand).
Granted, buying one of those BPOs right now is like buying junk bonds... yeah, you might get epic returns one day but most likely you are just pouring ISK into a black hole and buying a paperweight. |

Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:22:00 -
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So go Invent T2 ships that have no BPOs in existence for them?
Heavy Interdictors Electronic Assault Frigates Tech 2 Battleships (Black Ops, Marauders) Jump Freighters
ZERO TECH 2 BPOs EXIST for these ships. Go go, no BPO competition. All these were added to the game after T2 BPO lottery ended.
(There are also plenty of modules that are like this, for example all the new Tech 2 modules added in Crucible, for starters).
Also no BPOs for Tech 3 cruisers either... tho the manufacturing process for those (+subsystems) is fairly complex. Probably too complex for you. |

Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:08:00 -
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Ameron Phinard wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:So go Invent T2 ships that have no BPOs in existence for them? ... Electronic Assault Frigates
Probably not the best idea.
Hey, I didn't say all these were mega isk printers. Just that they had no T2 BPO competition because no BPOs of these exist.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:19:00 -
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mama guru wrote:T2 BPO's are profitable, but no where near as crazy as when you could have 5 million profit out of a 50k production cost as was the case with Cap Recharger II's for a while during 2005. With the addition of inventions and Tech getting boosted much later the majority of the profit in the T2 market lies in simply selling moon gold which is mined passively and emptied once a week. If anything CCP should not nerf BPO's but rather curbstomp r64 moons.
Technetium is R32.
It is the outlier because when CCP rebalanced moon goo usage across T2 production, they did :lolccp: math and the end result was that Technetium became the major bottleneck.
If they take another stab at it and do a bit more math, they might balance it out one day... which would probably lead to R32s and R64s both being somewhat valuable but none being stupidly expensive like Technetium is today.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.12 13:29:00 -
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I approve this product/service.
Also... IRC. 
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